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the oldest

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and strongest human emotion is fear

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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is trepidation of young men

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane my

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name is lon

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stripler join me as i examine

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unexplained creatures

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strange manifestations and remarkable

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realities imagine this next hour

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as a voyage of discovery to strange

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lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural

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come on board as we begin this adventure

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio where we

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explore the unexplained

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here on the paranormal king radio

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network i'm your host lon strickler

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coming to you with a cannon shot

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of historic gettysburg pennsylvania i

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thank you for joining me

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now before i introduce my guest i want

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to mention the passing

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of our friend and team member danielle

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eau claire on wednesday

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august 5th 2020. now danielle

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was an excellent investigator dedicated

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to finding the truth about bigfoot

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and the skunk ape in her home state of

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florida uh some of her investigative

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reports have been published in phantoms

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of monsters and elsewhere

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uh if you remember danielle was the

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guest on our last pnm

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update show a few months ago she was a

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beautiful soul

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and will truly miss may she rest in

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peace

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now tonight i welcome spirit of

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infestation experiencer

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deanna simpson to arcane radio

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the book was written about her life in

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the house of may webinar and entitled

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hannibal haunting the deanna simpson

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story the author is johnny mayon

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her story was presented on the dead

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the haunting was so extreme that amy

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allen warned deanna

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there are five men here and they all

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want you dead

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the book also includes other accounts

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from several paranormal and spiritual

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investigators

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including our friends john zappas and

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bill beam

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in fact john zabas urged deanna to flee

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the house before it was too late

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he said you you need to get out of there

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dee it's ancient

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you have to leave this thing has been

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here

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on this land for millions of years and

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it's known about your existence

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before you were born he told her i've

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known

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this haunting personally since deanna

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and her husband

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lived within a mile of me it's a

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neighborhood in the town of hanover

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pennsylvania where i've investigated

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five other hauntings during the past

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four years

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so deanna thank you for joining me

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oh my pleasure thank you

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now you and i were talking a little bit

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before the show

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and you know it's obvious that you have

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abilities i believe you have abilities i

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believe you're a beacon

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uh now you have moved out of the house

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about a year

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and a half ago you're at another another

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home

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in the same town but uh

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you did have a passenger didn't you

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i did i did and you know what

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i often talk to joni mahan um who's the

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author of our

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our book is i often told her i said

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i became so close

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to this woman this entity

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because she always warned me when

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ephraim

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was about to come and ephron was one of

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the five men

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that amy allen you know would tell me

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and i said to joni i said i wonder if

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she'll come

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i wonder if you know and i but i made my

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and you know i told her to go to the

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you know like you you know you want

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people to cross over

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you don't want to stay here this is in

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heaven you want to move on

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and uh but sure enough

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the very first night that

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that i slept in this house i heard that

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tap tap tap on the window just like i

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on maple and uh

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you know and i jumped up and opened up

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the curtain

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and i just looked at her like oh my gosh

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but i knew it she wasn't warning me

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this time there was a big difference

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well we all have protectors and you know

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from your story she seems to have been a

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very good protector and she was

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she has some empathy for you and uh you

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kind of went through

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the same issues she did in a way though

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this ephraim who she was married to may

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have actually been her murderer but we

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just don't know that

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yes yes uh i i will at some point i'm

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tell you the story i went down to um

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the york courthouse and the historical

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society

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and i did as much research on her as i

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could because i kept saying

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who are you who are you who are you but

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uh when i told my story to the dead

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files steve de javi

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gave me i told him about her i thought

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her name was christina

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and he said boy you were close it was

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christiana he's the one who told me the

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name and

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i was on that so you're right there is a

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connection of some

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you know a similarity between her and i

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um so uh kind of give us a thumbnail of

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how this all began

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from when you moved into the house and

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you know how things affected you and

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and tom and your daughter and uh you

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tell it the way you want to tell it well

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um tom and i we were both going through

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divorces

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and we knew that we wanted to get a

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place together

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and he was working in mccherry's town at

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the time and this woman

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that worked with tom told him that you

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must come and see this house well he

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comes home one night

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and we've been looking for homes

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probably for six months

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no joke you know just trying to buy you

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have to be careful when you buy a home

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you know um just just for all the

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money everything um and after going

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through a divorce

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we were kind of we were pretty strapped

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so then what had happened as

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soon as i saw this house on we pulled up

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and tom said

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don't get excited he says i don't want

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to live in town

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and i want to live on the outskirts i

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want a little piece of land we're going

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to go see this house so i can tell

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shirley we looked at

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it it was you know quaint and charming

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i just i i felt like i walked

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into the past i felt like i was just

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stepped into a home

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that i grew up in when i was a little

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girl my mom and dad in kentucky

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and uh i was enamored by it

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i i couldn't stop driving by i used to

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work at hanover hospital

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and um every time when i would get off

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from work i would drive by that stinking

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house go up on the porch look in the

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window like

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oh my gosh i gotta have this house

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i mean i was and and don't get me wrong

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it's adorable i mean it's very charming

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but there was nothing about the house

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that was exceptional right um

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i was just lit the only thing i can say

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is i was i was drawn

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into it and i started taking pictures of

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it and

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um sending them back to my mom and dad

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back in kentucky and every time tom and

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i went back to the apartment

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i would say look at this isn't this

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funny

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glowing what is that what's this big

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and he'd say oh honey it's a light

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reflection

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there's no curtains and i'd go

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and then i say but what about this black

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one look at this black

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just this black thing coming from the

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ground shooting up and he'd be like

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once again it's hard wood floors

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it's got to be dust you know and he just

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looked at me like

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i'm like gee you know

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maybe it's your camera maybe he had

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something on your lens

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and he he's he was really good

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explaining but it

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the haunting when i look back it

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happened

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immediately and i did not realize that

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at the time i remember when tom and i

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got the keys in our hand

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we had you know the house was ours and

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we shut the kitchen door

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and i was standing in the breezeway and

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i took a picture

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like woohoo this is our home you know

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new new chapter new beginnings

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and there was an image

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when i you know when we went back to the

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apartment i was looking at my pictures

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but there was an

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image the the door that was in the

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breezeway had glass

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and there was a silhouette

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of a man standing

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on the inside of the kitchen looking

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no and well it happened just that quick

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i i think you you first started to get

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concerned from what i read in the book

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is when your cat

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started to waste away

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and uh you know i can understand that

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because i have seen pets react to these

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beings

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and these energies before oh yes and

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uh you know his reaction um

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and going into the into the the master

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bedroom closet

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didn't surprise me whatsoever and in

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uh i i you know i don't know exactly

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why he did it maybe and you did have a

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story in there about

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the boy who had died who had committed

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suicide was known to torment cats and

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maybe that was the reason

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why uh the cat was uh

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was frightening oh my gosh yes

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well you know one we were told um

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i had like 50 emails

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of locals that the children

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were about our age at the time whose

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grandparents

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told them that everything was well fishy

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about that story

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there was a really bad rumor

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that the boy was being molested

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by his uncle and in order for this boy

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to

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up your local cat or your neighborhood

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puppy or just whatever and throw it

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into his father's burn barrel that was

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you know it's interesting you know the

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neighborhood itself is such a quiet

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neighborhood

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i mean i i lived i was born and raised

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in hanover

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uh and you know i moved back here

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after my white past and uh you know

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my son who was used to rick being raised

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in the city down in baltimore i mean he

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he just looks around and thinks

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how can anything happen in this town

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it's just the way it is

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uh it just seems so quiet but there is

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an

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underlining energy

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dark energy in that part of town and

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then there's no doubt about it

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uh i've had you know i moved back here

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in 2016

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and i knew about your case and i have

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had five

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hauntings in the past four years that

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i've investigated within

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three blocks of your house wow

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there has got to be and you know that's

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what i asked amy allen and that's why i

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was

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in hanover

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i was going to the gun three library i

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was in the pennsylvania real room

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i i mean i just took off

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i was like i need info i need info i'm

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you know

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i got to look up to previous owners i

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got to find out

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who was before the previous owners um

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i wonder if it could could have been the

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land

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plus the condition

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of what had happened in that house

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or the houses that were before

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that house do you think that's possible

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oh i absolutely believe that's possible

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you know

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you had talked to well you and i had

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messaged back and forth several years

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ago

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uh oh yeah i think it was about 2015 or

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so

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about um about you know you asked about

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the history of the area

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and i was telling you that uh you know

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of course

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the diggs had owned it

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uh john diggs had owned the uh had owned

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that large

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parcel of property uh back in the 1700s

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but

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you know hanover itself was located

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philadelphia and baltimore and it was it

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was what they called a roosting area for

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highwaymen and outlaws there was a lot

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of bad things that happened in this area

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a lot of bad things plus wow the

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susquehanna

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indians which was a warring tribe

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did a lot of raids in in york and adams

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county uh

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during the 16th and early 1700s

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so there's a lot of history let alone

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wow that the

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civil war battle here as well in in

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in 1863 the day before gettysburg

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so uh there's a lot of history

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like i said there's a lot of dark

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history a lot of death

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and uh i think the area

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i think the ground just holds into it

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you know the fact of what

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amy allen said and what john zappa said

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didn't surprise me whatsoever

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uh you know you do get these areas that

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that seem to hold on to that energy and

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i think

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you kind of got grand central station

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you were sitting right in the middle of

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it

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uh you know yeah i mean of course and

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you did find that

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story about the woman who had lost her

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children

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in the quarry uh that was near there as

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well

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yeah yes lydia's small yeah i've been a

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lot of death there

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really has oh yeah and did you know she

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retired after they said that

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she just basically after losing her

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children

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or or whatever the case

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was um amy disagreed with that

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she just found it to be too odd

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of the similar situations of their death

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and because matter of fact i kept seeing

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upstairs in the mirror which chip coffee

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told me that

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mirrors were what's the word a conduit

401
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of activity onto it yeah um

402
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a conduit that um

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that i when i was upstairs one night

404
00:17:04,949 --> 00:17:02,079
getting ready for

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for bed i was washing my face upstairs

406
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in the

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an

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addict that one of the previous members

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who lived in

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you know who had lived in the house kept

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their

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sister who was schizophrenic

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upstairs and she lived in the attic

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[Music]

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and i i was washing my face and then all

416
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of a sudden

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i felt like i was just you know in the

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north pole i just started trembling

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all of my goosebumps following my

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sensories just

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everything but i couldn't stop staring

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at the mirror

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and then all of a sudden i remember

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this image was starting to appear

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the longer i stared at the mirror this

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image of this little

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dead child of about 17

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months old appears

429
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in the in the mirror and um

430
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[Music]

431
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she has no eyes and her face

432
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is like shredded

433
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on one side of her face she's got

434
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long curls to about her shoulder and

435
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she's

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little

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old-fashioned tea stained dress and

438
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[Music]

439
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and when i looked at her she started to

440
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scream and when she started to scream

441
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:41,440
[Music]

442
00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:44,320
i just remember almost passing out

443
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because it was just

444
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:48,880
so horrific

445
00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:52,640
uh later that's when steve deshavi had

446
00:18:56,789 --> 00:18:53,600
said

447
00:18:57,190 --> 00:18:56,799
that one of lydia's children at the age

448
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of

449
00:19:05,110 --> 00:19:02,000
15 months old my guest was 17

450
00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:05,120
went um went and fell down

451
00:19:10,789 --> 00:19:08,240
that there was a well

452
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and fell down into the well and and and

453
00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:12,240
she drowned

454
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:15,360
it's a bizarre story it really is

455
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:18,320
uh i'm telling you you know the the one

456
00:19:22,549 --> 00:19:20,320
thing i found very interesting

457
00:19:24,150 --> 00:19:22,559
when the episodes i guess was kind of

458
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:24,160
the culmination of a lot of things

459
00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:26,880
but i i know when your daughter moved in

460
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with you

461
00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:32,000
and uh yeah amber and you

462
00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:34,080
you you were hesitant about the basement

463
00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:40,470
i know she was as well but

464
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:43,039
uh you knew something was going in there

465
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:44,080
then

466
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:48,640
when tom and his brother uh

467
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:52,400
refurbished the basement into a yes but

468
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:55,200
paneling family room yes and put that

469
00:19:59,669 --> 00:19:57,600
large closet in there that seemed to set

470
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:59,679
it off

471
00:20:03,029 --> 00:20:01,360
it did you're right you're absolutely

472
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:03,039
tell me uh tell me a bit about what

473
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:06,320
happened with the closet

474
00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:10,080
oh my gosh um i had went

475
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:12,159
um if this is the story that you're

476
00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:13,200
referring to

477
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:17,039
is that i okay i'd uh

478
00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:20,080
tom snores really bad

479
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:24,159
so tom and i always slept upstairs

480
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:26,080
where they made the attic into a loft so

481
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:27,360
what had happened is tom

482
00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:29,520
started snoring and i went downstairs

483
00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:30,640
and i slept on the

484
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on the first floor as i was just about

485
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:36,000
drifting off to sleep

486
00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:39,600
i started hearing all of these

487
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:42,880
children's toys like

488
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:46,240
grandbaby toys like you know going off

489
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:49,600
and i said oh my god you know

490
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:53,120
what is that so i opened up the basement

491
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door

492
00:21:02,870 --> 00:20:58,799
very reluctantly and i said to myself

493
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:02,880
it's coming from downstairs so

494
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i started i don't know why i did this i

495
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:08,480
started to go down the steps

496
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:12,400
and i could hear myself breathe i was

497
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:15,840
shaking so bad like my sensories were

498
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:16,559
going

499
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don't do it don't do it and i continued

500
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:22,080
proceeded to go down the steps

501
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:25,600
i made a right when i got up to the end

502
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of the steps and that's where the portal

503
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:28,480
is in the back room

504
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:31,919
well we do have this big huge closet

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that was made into like put your

506
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halloween decorations in

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christmas trees etc so behind this

508
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:44,240
locked door i could hear all these toys

509
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and i walked into the closet

510
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:58,000
the storage shed closet and when

511
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i walked into the storage dead closet

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and i had a basket of community aid

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toys that we bought for our

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grandchildren when they were like one

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years old and

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all of these little pianos are going off

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and all of these little

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you know that game we used to play with

519
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:20,640
the arrow where you'd line it up on the

520
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:22,960
owl and it would say an algos you know

521
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:25,440
and all of this whole basket of toys

522
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were going off

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and as soon as i realized what was

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happening

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i went to go turn around and the door

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slammed

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and the door locks from the outside

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there is no

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inside lock the door locked from the

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outside

531
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and i was standing there and i started

532
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banging on the door and i started

533
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:48,080
screaming and screaming

534
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:51,200
and screaming and

535
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:54,400
as i turned around the toys had

536
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:57,520
stopped but the

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00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,559
deepest of blackest

538
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:03,120
there's a window that the basement

539
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:04,000
window that's

540
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:08,000
in that closet you could see just a

541
00:23:13,230 --> 00:23:09,679
silhouette of light

542
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:13,240
but all of a sudden i saw this

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blackest of black i mean

544
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:19,360
i can't even describe in depth

545
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:23,039
of just pure black started

546
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:26,320
caping its way to me as

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00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:30,720
if the room was shrinking

548
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:34,159
with this blackness

549
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:37,520
as it was coming towards me and i just

550
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:38,480
started screaming

551
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:41,200
and i just knew i had the worst intense

552
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:41,679
fear

553
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:44,720
i knew it was evil i knew it had bad

554
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:45,840
intent

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00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,159
i was just banging on the door kicking

556
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:51,039
it banging it and finally

557
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:54,080
i just sat on the ground and i

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00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:56,159
wrapped my arms around my legs and

559
00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:58,559
started saying the lord's prayer

560
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:02,159
and i just i just prayed to god

561
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:05,360
please please please lord you know and

562
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:08,640
i just started sobbing and as soon

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00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:11,840
as i did that i remember

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00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:16,240
hearing that door unlock

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00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:19,840
and it just opened up by itself

566
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:22,000
it just the door just you know you could

567
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:23,760
hear that

568
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:29,990
oh my gosh i just crawled out of there

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and

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00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:37,990
well i tell you i i saw the three

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00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:40,159
pictures you sent me

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00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:44,080
of the portal and

573
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:46,000
there are three subsequent pictures of

574
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:47,679
this bluish

575
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:50,080
portal opening up and i tell you it's

576
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:51,919
one of the most fantastic pictures of a

577
00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:52,559
portal

578
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:55,039
that i have ever seen now i don't know

579
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,200
how many people have seen that picture

580
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:59,520
but that is a remarkable photograph and

581
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:01,120
of course you've sent me

582
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:04,240
videos of the shadows up

583
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:07,760
upstairs previous uh you know

584
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:10,320
the amount of activity that had gone on

585
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:11,840
in that house

586
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,919
is remarkable and i mean you had all

587
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:16,080
kinds of crazy sounds

588
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:18,799
the ice cracking sounds the footsteps on

589
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:19,919
the roof

590
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:23,120
the chanting the screaming even the

591
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:29,679
the insects from outside gunshots

592
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:33,360
you know oh my gosh the locust yeah yes

593
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:36,240
locust in hanover i mean a locust swarm

594
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,520
in hanover

595
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:39,120
i don't i have never heard of that

596
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:41,440
before but you had it all around your

597
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,120
house

598
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,080
yeah during the daylight when everybody

599
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:48,559
was standing across where the church was

600
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:51,120
and staring at us and when tom and i we

601
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:52,880
got a text from our next-door neighbor

602
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:53,200
like

603
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:55,120
please come out you're going to want to

604
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:56,640
see this get the f

605
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:00,640
out now and then we when we were walking

606
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:02,720
on our front porch

607
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:05,840
they were crunching underneath

608
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:09,039
our feet amazing

609
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:12,320
there's so many of them lon and then

610
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:12,960
what about

611
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,440
when we very first moved in there i'm

612
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:17,279
sure you've heard this story about

613
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:20,240
it was february when we bought that

614
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:23,440
house we had an indian summer day

615
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:26,159
and i was out there raking trying to

616
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:27,440
fluff up the yard

617
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,480
get up some of the dead grass you know

618
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:32,880
and then do you know what i'm talking

619
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:35,679
about and then all of a sudden

620
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:39,120
yes yeah exactly

621
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,240
that elderly lady

622
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:44,240
that was just that she looked like a

623
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:45,600
hundred years old

624
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:48,320
all humpbacked and in her little

625
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,039
handmade

626
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:51,279
floral dress you know with their little

627
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:53,200
scarf and her

628
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:56,080
you know her granny shoes and and i was

629
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:57,200
like thinking

630
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:01,120
and then she had a three-legged dog

631
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:05,039
that looked just as old as her

632
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,080
and i was like what yeah what

633
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:10,320
because that house as you know is a

634
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:11,520
corner lot

635
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:20,070
did you ever figure out who she was

636
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:23,360
you know what i do not

637
00:27:30,350 --> 00:27:26,799
but let me tell you what

638
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:30,360
there have been other people

639
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:34,080
investigators we had this team

640
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:37,120
um grip paranormal melissa leeper and

641
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:37,840
her friends

642
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:40,559
they came to the house look at this

643
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:47,029
um and uh and alice

644
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:50,000
were in the car and they were going to

645
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:52,080
be late for the investigation

646
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:55,039
and they see this man you know what i'm

647
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:55,760
talking about

648
00:28:03,190 --> 00:27:59,279
they see this man they see this man

649
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:03,200
and you know he's wearing older clothes

650
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:06,320
he looks you know like maybe he's

651
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:08,240
i shouldn't say homeless but he looks

652
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:10,960
like he's down on his luck

653
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,000
and they come up to him and his head is

654
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,240
pointing towards the sidewalk and she

655
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:18,720
was like excuse me sir excuse me

656
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,000
long beard he's got a hat on

657
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:24,960
and he's like they're like excuse me sir

658
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,000
and he stops

659
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:29,279
doesn't look at him and they're saying

660
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:32,399
almost 300 maple avenue

661
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:34,399
and he just picks up his head and he

662
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:35,679
points and he's like

663
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:40,080
over there you know and

664
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:44,720
and he disappears

665
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,159
as they were reaching for their

666
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,080
cigarettes and they're trying to light

667
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:50,159
them and they're calling melissa

668
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:53,200
like we're not coming in

669
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:55,360
well i don't think we're gonna do this

670
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:02,710
you know they had the gps phenomena

671
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:04,399
happen too and you know i heard that

672
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,559
several times before

673
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:08,399
where people were trying to find a

674
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,480
location

675
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:13,200
especially a cemetery that they were

676
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:14,880
going to investigate

677
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,000
and the gps when they'd get near the gps

678
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:20,960
would go someplace else

679
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:23,200
yeah that has happened i have read the

680
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:24,000
accounts about that

681
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:27,039
before i you know that that's strange

682
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:30,080
and the same thing happened to them

683
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:33,520
that wow that's that's interesting

684
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:37,279
yeah yeah and uh it's kind of like

685
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:41,200
when um nick when katie and nick from

686
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:44,559
fox 43 news came over

687
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:47,919
and you know she just kind of comes up

688
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:49,760
and she's all pretty and she's

689
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:52,559
you know and she just i bring the she

690
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:54,559
rings the doorbell and she looks at me

691
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,240
and and and she was just like

692
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:00,720
we're looking for the hanover house

693
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:02,399
we're looking for deanna simpson i'm

694
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:04,000
like that's me

695
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:06,799
you're here and then right away she was

696
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:07,679
like

697
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:10,159
oh we just couldn't find you you know we

698
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,000
couldn't find your house

699
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:14,240
and then she just was like come on nick

700
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:15,919
this isn't gonna take long

701
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:18,240
she gives this is mohammed's house it

702
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:19,279
sure doesn't look

703
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:21,679
on it she goes i tell you what i have a

704
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:23,440
ouija board in my car

705
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:25,919
i brought it just for this occasion can

706
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:32,070
and i was like are you freaking kidding

707
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:33,600
me you want it no

708
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:36,320
i'm sorry this is where i draw the line

709
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:37,840
you're welcome to come in for the

710
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:38,640
interview

711
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:42,880
i'll i'll be glad to introduce you

712
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:45,360
to the and i always would say i'll be

713
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:47,120
glad to introduce you to the house

714
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:48,399
because i said this thing

715
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:52,080
is alive but you are not

716
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:56,320
allowed to bring that stinking ouija

717
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:57,600
board in here

718
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:00,399
and sure enough as soon as soon as the

719
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:02,080
camera started rolling

720
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:04,480
nick got scratched wasn't long before

721
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:06,880
then katie took it seriously

722
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:11,200
and she was bit and she was slapped

723
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:15,279
and uh yeah i remember seeing the uh i

724
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:17,120
remember seeing the video in fact

725
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,519
somebody had sent it to me not long

726
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:21,360
after it was aired

727
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:23,440
uh you know i was living down in

728
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:25,200
baltimore then but they sent it to me

729
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:27,039
and

730
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:28,559
that's when i that's actually when i

731
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:30,480
first found out about the house

732
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,559
because um uh the person who sent it

733
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:36,799
was living in new york she said he sent

734
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,320
it to me

735
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,559
and i asked him i said where was this at

736
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:42,399
he said in hanover and i think

737
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:45,440
oh god okay well you know

738
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:47,840
that's when i first found out about it

739
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:48,960
so uh

740
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:52,240
yeah that that was interesting

741
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:55,279
you know and another phenomena i thought

742
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,080
was pretty

743
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:58,640
interesting but really interesting was

744
00:32:00,950 --> 00:32:00,559
the uh the thing with the elk head you

745
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:00,960
your

746
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:04,159
husband had a large l kid at least 100

747
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:05,120
pounds

748
00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:08,559
hanging on the wall in his den

749
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,679
and when you and he were down in

750
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:13,679
kentucky and your daughter was home

751
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:15,039
alone

752
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,760
uh this thing was literally lifted off

753
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:19,519
the wall and sat in the middle of the

754
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:20,799
den

755
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,960
and i think tom thought his daughter had

756
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:24,720
actually done that or somebody

757
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:28,159
had come in and done that he did he did

758
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:32,159
because amber leaped out of bed

759
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:35,200
it's around 2 50 in the morning

760
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:39,039
3 o'clock and she called me up

761
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:42,159
she was frightened to death and

762
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,159
she was like mommy somebody's in the

763
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:46,240
house or somebody's broke a window or

764
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:46,880
something

765
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:49,679
because that door lawn was locked

766
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:51,600
because tom had guns in there

767
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:54,640
in crepes that were locked up and he had

768
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:55,039
said

769
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:57,360
this room's off limit amber i'm walking

770
00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:58,880
this you know

771
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:01,039
and but the key was above the door you

772
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:02,640
know the old doors

773
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:06,240
and um when she she was on the phone and

774
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:07,039
i said

775
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,320
don't look around she grabs a knife and

776
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:12,159
she says i'm gonna look around the house

777
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:13,279
while you're on the phone

778
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:16,640
and i said no no leave

779
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:19,120
go to your father's call your dad call

780
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:20,880
the you know don't even

781
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:22,799
don't even call the police just get in

782
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:24,000
your car

783
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:27,360
you know take off you know

784
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:29,840
they can have whatever they want because

785
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:32,320
all i cared about was amber

786
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:35,519
and sure enough she says mom

787
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:37,760
she says i'm hearing a noise in tom's

788
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:39,519
ben and yes would you believe

789
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:43,279
that elkhead had a double lock on it

790
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:46,960
his brother who's a contractor who

791
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:50,320
hung all of his mounts hung that up

792
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:53,360
and it fell off two other times since

793
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,480
yeah i know it happened again yeah just

794
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:58,559
like it was lifted off

795
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:01,679
yeah yeah and uh

796
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:03,760
matter of fact it always happened around

797
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:06,320
september and after doing my research we

798
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:07,919
did find out

799
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:11,040
that a previous owner who had lived in

800
00:34:14,649 --> 00:34:12,560
the house

801
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,659
who had remained there um

802
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:16,720
[Music]

803
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:19,440
that it it always kind of coincidentally

804
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:20,399
hung you know

805
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,399
came off around that death date

806
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:26,399
and you know what ron i did want to ask

807
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:27,839
you this

808
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:31,760
do you find it a coincidence or

809
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:34,320
interesting or do you see a pattern that

810
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:35,679
the last two

811
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,720
male owners that lived in there now i'm

812
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:40,240
not including tom

813
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:47,349
we were told by the locals that had

814
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:49,520
known them

815
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:53,919
that they were both the same meaning

816
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:56,240
okay they were both kind of arrogant

817
00:35:02,870 --> 00:34:58,880
they were both alcoholics they were

818
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:02,880
both you could both hear the fighting

819
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,770
from the other neighbors um

820
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:07,760
[Music]

821
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:10,960
both of them kind of fell into the same

822
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:15,520
pattern do you think that a house

823
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:18,800
if you weren't strong enough to combat

824
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:19,599
this

825
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:22,720
or or try to be aware of your

826
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:25,520
of what is happening that you could fall

827
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:26,480
into

828
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:29,599
a a slump like

829
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,920
amityville remember george he started

830
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:33,520
all of a sudden he was happy and then

831
00:35:36,829 --> 00:35:35,040
you can see what i'm saying like

832
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:36,839
depression

833
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:40,480
alcoholism yeah i think the malevolence

834
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:42,000
in the house affected

835
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:45,040
glenn parker and sylvester ackerman i i

836
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:45,599
really do

837
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:48,560
i believe um and i you know that's not

838
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:49,359
uncommon

839
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:52,640
in situations like that um

840
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:57,359
okay yeah um you know the activity

841
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:59,440
is almost like poltergeist activity but

842
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:00,560
it really isn't

843
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,680
it's just a high degree of malevolence

844
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:05,680
that just drains people to the point

845
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:07,839
where it affects them

846
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:10,880
and just they just go downhill

847
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:13,520
and i'm quite sure if you and tom would

848
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:14,240
have stayed there

849
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:16,880
eventually had done the same to you i

850
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:18,400
really do

851
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:21,520
it it was it was doing that to me i got

852
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:23,040
to the point to where

853
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:26,240
um i just didn't care

854
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:28,960
i was falling into such a depression and

855
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:30,079
tom and i were

856
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:33,280
arguing and then it started to pull us

857
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:35,599
apart like i wasn't sharing with him

858
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:36,560
anymore

859
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:39,599
of the occurrences that were happening

860
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:41,440
and we were always fighting and you'd be

861
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:43,839
like let me guess thee just another

862
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:46,160
and i'd be like whatever tom you know da

863
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:47,200
da

864
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:51,359
and i when i would

865
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:53,760
leave work i didn't want to go home but

866
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:54,800
yet when i was

867
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:58,240
at home i didn't want to leave either

868
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:01,359
i just came like a couch potato and just

869
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:04,240
i didn't care about myself yeah i didn't

870
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:05,040
yeah

871
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,760
oh that's that's common that really is

872
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:09,680
common and uh

873
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,560
okay uh you know you endured it for a

874
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:14,240
long time i mean

875
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,760
oh my god i did it's

876
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,599
it's a miracle i believe that you got

877
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:21,520
out in one piece

878
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:24,640
honestly oh well you know the godfather

879
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:25,200
told me

880
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:27,520
he warned me he said if you don't get

881
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:28,240
out

882
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:31,440
yeah this is going to kill you you've

883
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:32,240
got to

884
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:36,079
get out well you know there's another

885
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:37,839
situation a little bit earlier that i

886
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:39,119
thought was kind of interesting

887
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:40,880
and in a way it was kind of comical to

888
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:42,240
me because i've been through this

889
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:43,440
situation

890
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:45,440
was the pastor across the street who

891
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:46,640
came over who

892
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,119
who was actually postponing coming and

893
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:51,359
doing a blessing to the house

894
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:54,560
and finally came with an entourage

895
00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:59,359
and accused tom of being

896
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:02,400
blasphemers oh my

897
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:05,920
gosh lon what about that she came over

898
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:08,320
she would not come over unless she had

899
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,000
six of her deacons

900
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,480
she was supposed to bless that house

901
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:14,640
they never made it out of our family

902
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:15,440
room

903
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:18,560
and then here we're taking the sweetest

904
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:19,440
person

905
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,280
but the moment she stepped in that house

906
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:27,599
i was just waiting for her head to start

907
00:38:33,230 --> 00:38:28,640
spinning because she

908
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:33,240
looked at tom and i and she was like you

909
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:35,680
fornication you guys are

910
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:38,400
living in sin you brought this upon

911
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:39,760
yourself

912
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:42,560
and you're an adulteress and you're whoa

913
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:43,040
whoa

914
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:46,079
what is going on here yeah

915
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:49,280
she got attached right off the bat

916
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:52,400
yeah and did you did you know

917
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:55,920
that um she was

918
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,240
i mean she was hornet mad

919
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:02,240
tom and i just right underneath the

920
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:03,440
carpet and as

921
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,359
she walked over to that door as she was

922
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,440
giving it to us she said until you

923
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:11,760
change your life and be with god and she

924
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:13,839
just went on and on and on and on

925
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:14,800
blasting us

926
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:17,280
we started smelling like burnt leaves

927
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:18,240
right

928
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,040
well we didn't realize until the very

929
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:23,200
next day

930
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:26,240
there is a footprint

931
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:29,200
burnt into the hardwood floor where she

932
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:35,670
burnt

933
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:39,349
yeah yeah that's an interesting aspect

934
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:40,960
of what happened

935
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:44,720
uh it's almost like this this entity

936
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:47,760
wanted you to remember what

937
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:50,960
you know what had happened there it it's

938
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:53,200
it's very strange the way she changed

939
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:55,280
all of a sudden

940
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:58,960
yeah quickly i you know i had told you

941
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:00,160
before

942
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:03,280
knew

943
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:05,040
this this church across street me was a

944
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:06,480
brother in church

945
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,680
and uh i had talked to one of the guys

946
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:11,760
who worked for the original contractors

947
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:13,359
who built that church because it's

948
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:16,000
fairly new church it's not that old

949
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:20,160
and they had when they were building it

950
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:22,880
they had tools and equipment go missing

951
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:24,319
all the time

952
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:28,079
even when they had wow hurting it

953
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:30,400
uh and you know that was way before you

954
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,280
moved in

955
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:33,359
but you know there's indication that

956
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:35,520
stuff was going on before that now

957
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:37,599
i don't know some of the other stories

958
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:39,760
you know i i've always felt that he

959
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,560
wasn't telling me everything

960
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:44,480
but i thought that was interesting and

961
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,480
then when i read it in the book

962
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,880
about the pastor coming over there and

963
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:50,240
it was kind of because the reason made

964
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:52,079
me laugh in a way it was

965
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:54,560
i had been involved with hauntings where

966
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:55,839
a priest

967
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:58,319
or a pastor would come into the house

968
00:41:02,870 --> 00:40:59,119
and literally

969
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:02,880
run out the door oh my god

970
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:06,319
they were so scared yeah

971
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:09,920
wow yeah that i've seen that happen

972
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:12,880
i really haven't and in fact it happened

973
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:13,440
to

974
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:20,480
there was a haunting i had there and i

975
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:21,680
she asked me this it was during

976
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:24,079
christmas and she had asked me to stay

977
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:25,200
there until the

978
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:27,920
her pastor got there and when he got

979
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:29,040
there

980
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:31,839
he he he looked like he was gonna blow

981
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:33,119
up

982
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:36,400
and he ran out the door didn't give any

983
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,160
reason as to why or what was going on

984
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:42,720
and my son and i are standing there and

985
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:44,640
we're looking at each other like

986
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:47,200
what the hell happened to this guy and

987
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:54,790
and you know yeah the house wasn't that

988
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:57,920
remarkable i mean they had some things

989
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,880
moving about

990
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:00,720
and uh you know a few other they had

991
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,200
shadow people sightings and such but

992
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,760
i mean this this pastor just went off

993
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:07,200
and then the fact that

994
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:13,990
very yeah very interesting yeah and i'm

995
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:16,640
glad you shared that because you know

996
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:20,560
i'm i'm finding you know that there

997
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,560
are similarities because i told my

998
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:24,720
husband i said i'm going crazy

999
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:28,560
you know i'm just going crazy and

1000
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:32,560
and you know what these experiences

1001
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:35,760
have happened to other people

1002
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:38,960
um to me i thought it was unique

1003
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:42,079
to me i thought it was different but i

1004
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:43,440
can tell you one thing

1005
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:46,079
um like i said when i was talking to the

1006
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:48,400
godfather i said

1007
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:50,000
i mean i finally got to the point where

1008
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:51,680
i looked at tom and i mean

1009
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:54,560
i was bawling and crying and i said

1010
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:55,359
listen i

1011
00:43:02,950 --> 00:42:58,560
do not want a divorce i want us

1012
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:05,270
if you're not on the same page with me

1013
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:06,079
as far as

1014
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:10,319
moving then you can stay here

1015
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:13,200
but i'm gonna go i'm i'm gonna get an

1016
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,200
apartment

1017
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:18,000
and you can you can come over and you

1018
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:19,599
can stay with me

1019
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:22,240
or you can spend the night and you can

1020
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:23,599
bring some things over

1021
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:25,920
but i'm no longer living there and i

1022
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:26,640
told

1023
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,599
much what i had been through and and

1024
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,280
maybe you've heard of this and this is

1025
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:37,200
common and i'm the only one that didn't

1026
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:38,160
think it was

1027
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:41,040
but i said johnny i seriously think i

1028
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:41,760
need some

1029
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,400
counseling like i feel like i have

1030
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:47,040
post-traumatic stress syndrome like

1031
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:50,560
um like i

1032
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:54,079
i was waking up i wasn't able to sleep i

1033
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:54,960
was having

1034
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:58,000
just chronic nightmares i had to go on

1035
00:44:02,470 --> 00:43:59,359
medication

1036
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:02,480
like it was just so bad and um

1037
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:05,119
and johnny was like oh no for the you

1038
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:06,480
know

1039
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:10,160
for the real serious hauntings

1040
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:13,520
you know like your case is you know

1041
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:17,440
a example of that he says oh no my dear

1042
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:17,760
friend

1043
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,800
as johnny would say he said uh it's

1044
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:22,800
very normal but what's going to be

1045
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:24,079
abnormal is

1046
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:26,560
you trying to find a counselor that is

1047
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,000
going to understand you

1048
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,319
in and what you're trying to explain to

1049
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:34,230
coming off looking like you're in the

1050
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:37,040
deep end right

1051
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,520
and you know i did i i had to go into

1052
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:41,280
counseling because i

1053
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:45,280
just could not handle the aftermath

1054
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:48,480
of like i was living in fear is it going

1055
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:50,160
to happen again um

1056
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:52,240
did i make another bad decision with the

1057
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:53,280
house

1058
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,640
or you know i just went on

1059
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:58,560
have you have you heard of people

1060
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:00,960
getting counseling

1061
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:04,240
after uh yeah it very rarely works

1062
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:07,520
be honest with you no yeah okay i think

1063
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:07,920
i think

1064
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:13,839
who go through this type of thing you

1065
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:14,400
know

1066
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:17,119
the counseling it may be a stop gap but

1067
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:19,359
i think they really need

1068
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:23,520
to do it on their own

1069
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:26,400
it's almost like poltergeist haunting

1070
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,119
you know

1071
00:45:32,190 --> 00:45:29,839
it's not like somebody can come there

1072
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:32,200
and move something on because it's a

1073
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:35,839
self-manifested entity uh i i believe

1074
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:39,040
people that have what you had

1075
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:43,599
need to face what's going on themselves

1076
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:46,400
especially since you're a beacon or what

1077
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:47,760
your grandmother used to call

1078
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:50,960
a shot the shot you had to say yeah

1079
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:54,960
and uh i i think that you um

1080
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,760
that's something that the person who's

1081
00:46:03,109 --> 00:45:59,280
being targeted

1082
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:03,119
actually needs to take care of

1083
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:05,680
themselves for the most part you know

1084
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:06,160
there's one

1085
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:07,760
there's another thing that you know you

1086
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:09,200
were getting a lot of dreams you had

1087
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:09,920
dreamt

1088
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:13,760
the two men at times

1089
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:16,480
you also had the dream of the 11 hooded

1090
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:17,440
monks

1091
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:20,800
in the summertime oh my gosh yes

1092
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:23,839
yes finally met up with mastema and

1093
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:25,599
mastema

1094
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:28,079
is something that i have heard about

1095
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:29,520
before

1096
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:34,480
uh yeah in the hebrew faith it's uh

1097
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,240
the angel who persecute persecutes evil

1098
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,800
it's in the book of jubilees actually

1099
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:42,640
and carries out the punishment

1100
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:46,079
god and uh

1101
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:48,640
as well as tempting that dissect that

1102
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:49,599
what does that mean

1103
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:52,800
dissect that for me well what does that

1104
00:47:02,470 --> 00:46:59,589
he it's kind of a two two-sided thing

1105
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:02,480
he carries out punishments for god as

1106
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:04,000
well as tempting humans

1107
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:10,400
and testing their faith but i think

1108
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:11,280
because of

1109
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:16,079
what was going on there

1110
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:18,640
and this thing attacked you on the steps

1111
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:19,200
of course

1112
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:22,880
that's what that was yes and uh

1113
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:25,760
you know talk about talk about the

1114
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:26,240
attack

1115
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:29,359
so people know what happened uh what had

1116
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:31,200
happened is one night tom was just

1117
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:32,800
we were both sitting in the family room

1118
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:34,720
and i said hey

1119
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:37,040
i'm gonna go to bed i'm tired i'm going

1120
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:38,240
to bed

1121
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:42,079
and um so i started to

1122
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:45,760
go up the steps and to go upstairs

1123
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:49,359
and as i was walking up the steps

1124
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:52,960
it started feeling heavy started

1125
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:57,760
feeling thick and i looked up

1126
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:01,359
and i saw my cat and

1127
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:03,839
i was just like hey beanie weenie and i

1128
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:04,480
was like

1129
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:07,920
on the eighth step well all of a sudden

1130
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:11,200
she just started doing this hissing

1131
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:14,240
and she just scattered off but then when

1132
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:15,520
i looked up

1133
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:19,280
i looked over in the corner

1134
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:22,640
of the bedroom and this

1135
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:26,319
image of like an octopus tree thing

1136
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:30,319
with tentacles started coming out

1137
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:33,680
of the wall and now there is 14 steps up

1138
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:36,319
or 13 steps up to the bedroom i was on

1139
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:37,520
the 8th

1140
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:40,480
and i looked at it and i just froze i

1141
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:41,040
mean i

1142
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:42,960
i mean to tell you i couldn't move most

1143
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:44,480
people would be like why didn't you turn

1144
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:45,280
around and run

1145
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:48,640
i just couldn't i couldn't and

1146
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:52,160
um then all of a sudden as i watched it

1147
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:52,800
getting

1148
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:56,480
closer to me these arms

1149
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:00,000
that came out that almost look like

1150
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:04,319
tree branches with long

1151
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:09,680
long fingernails and these glowing eyes

1152
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:12,480
almost like glowing reptilian glowing it

1153
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:12,800
was

1154
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:17,280
at it all i know is when it came

1155
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:20,160
it came it happened real fast talk about

1156
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:21,440
it slow but it happened

1157
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:24,480
real fast and it smacked me in my

1158
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:25,440
shoulders

1159
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:28,640
with both of its arms

1160
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:31,920
hands whatever they were and i

1161
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:34,960
literally levitated

1162
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:39,760
i hit the wall slid down the wall

1163
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:43,680
hit hit the tile and then the

1164
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:45,839
it was the attic door remember the

1165
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:47,440
upstairs bedroom was in

1166
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:50,720
you know was an attic so then the door

1167
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:53,760
slammed open and as i

1168
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:57,119
leant over i was being pulled

1169
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:00,400
from my hair

1170
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:03,760
and my hair i was just drug across the

1171
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:04,640
kitchen

1172
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,800
i couldn't breathe it was kind of like

1173
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:12,480
you were a child on a swing set and you

1174
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:13,680
just fell off and then

1175
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:15,920
the winds knocked out of you and i just

1176
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:17,440
laid there lifeless and

1177
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,280
tom comes running into the kitchen like

1178
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:23,599
what the hell diana and he looked down

1179
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:24,880
and he saw me there

1180
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:27,040
and all of a sudden he came over and

1181
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:29,440
when he came over he grabbed me

1182
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:32,800
and and i just started

1183
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:34,800
like just like breathing like i just

1184
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:36,880
came out a pool of water

1185
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:40,480
and um i just started screaming and

1186
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:43,280
he's he he tried to move me and i said

1187
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:45,040
don't move me don't move me and i just

1188
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:47,200
started screaming and he caught he says

1189
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:49,760
what the hell happened and i i was just

1190
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:50,480
screaming

1191
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:53,040
and sobbing and he says i'm calling the

1192
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:54,960
paramedics and i said no

1193
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:58,000
i laid there for about 30 minutes i

1194
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:01,599
couldn't even get up and then when i did

1195
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:04,960
um i refused to to go to the hospital i

1196
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:06,000
just refused

1197
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:10,000
um tom uh we went on the first floor

1198
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:13,040
bedroom we just laid there i whimpered

1199
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:13,599
until

1200
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:17,359
passed out

1201
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:19,440
the next day i went in to see my family

1202
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:21,599
bought doctor they took a

1203
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:24,720
x-ray and i had an x-ray i'm sorry

1204
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:27,440
and i had a hairline fracture of my

1205
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:29,920
tailbone

1206
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:32,800
where i hit the floor the bottom of the

1207
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:33,359
step

1208
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:36,480
so hard that it actually

1209
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:39,839
gave me a hairline fracture

1210
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:43,119
you know um yeah i have run

1211
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:46,319
across this mess steamer once before

1212
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:48,960
in a case i had nine years ago i had a

1213
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:50,000
little knowledge of it

1214
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:51,760
and i was kind of surprised to see it in

1215
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,839
the book um

1216
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:55,680
but he did one thing that did not

1217
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:57,040
surprise me

1218
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:00,720
was the night you woke up

1219
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:03,760
and saw your recently deceased father in

1220
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:04,000
the

1221
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:10,480
towards him mastima shape-shifted back

1222
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:17,190
your father yes

1223
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:20,240
and let me tell you lon

1224
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:23,520
i oh my gosh i had never been

1225
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,480
so scared in my life because to think

1226
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:28,079
that something is so

1227
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:33,440
powerful that it it knows your every one

1228
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:36,960
your needs your desires and and how

1229
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,839
much i was in grief and mourning over

1230
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:41,440
the loss of my father

1231
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:45,760
to take on that shape of my father

1232
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:53,190
that blows me away

1233
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:55,440
yeah that does that doesn't surprise me

1234
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:57,359
and like when that came up later in the

1235
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:58,319
book

1236
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:01,040
about it mimicking your father you know

1237
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,599
it touched the nerve because

1238
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:05,520
i have had people talk to me about

1239
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:07,599
similar situations before

1240
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:09,920
it just wasn't mysteema it could have

1241
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:11,440
been any other

1242
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:14,960
uh higher entity that could have done

1243
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:15,440
that

1244
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:19,200
they like to do you know

1245
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:22,800
this this entity has been feeding on you

1246
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:25,440
i mean you you i'm quite sure you had

1247
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:25,839
been

1248
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:28,880
getting bruising feeling sick

1249
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:32,640
yes yes you know around that time and

1250
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:35,760
i you know that that is you know that's

1251
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:38,240
the mo for one of these things

1252
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:43,119
so um oh yeah you're right

1253
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:45,040
no and you know what have you ever heard

1254
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:47,440
of a shape sister

1255
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:50,720
a shape shifter yeah yes

1256
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:52,559
somebody was saying oh well that's what

1257
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:54,559
you got that's what you got in the house

1258
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:55,280
and i was

1259
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:57,440
you know and i had to look that up to

1260
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:58,800
know what one is so

1261
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:01,200
you you've heard of them too i've heard

1262
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,720
of them but i think what you

1263
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:04,800
these things do it's not more as a

1264
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:05,920
shape-shifter

1265
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:09,040
it's more of a mimic it's able to mimic

1266
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:13,040
someone you knew in life uh yeah

1267
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,319
they you know yeah

1268
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:18,800
it it's terrible i i've heard a lot of

1269
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,839
horror stories

1270
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:21,440
you know when it comes to these

1271
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:22,960
mimicking entities

1272
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:25,920
and uh well you know some of the more

1273
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:27,200
famous cases have

1274
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,400
have had that you know your case uh

1275
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:33,040
a lot of way mirrors the entity case

1276
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:35,599
that the dorothy blither case out in

1277
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:38,640
california uh with

1278
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,480
some of the sightings and some of uh

1279
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:42,480
some of the photographs and the streaks

1280
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:43,440
and

1281
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:46,240
really heard of it yeah you need to read

1282
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:46,799
about that

1283
00:54:50,829 --> 00:54:48,400
uh there's a there's a good pair there's

1284
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:50,839
a parallel there for what happened to

1285
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:54,400
you uh you know it's a very famous case

1286
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,280
barry taft

1287
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:58,079
and uh barry conrad did the

1288
00:55:02,309 --> 00:54:59,119
investigation

1289
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:02,319
it's it's a very interesting case a lot

1290
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:03,520
of what happened there

1291
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:07,280
happened to you uh but oh wow

1292
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:10,400
yeah yeah wow you'll have to give me

1293
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:11,599
that info

1294
00:55:16,030 --> 00:55:13,920
you can send me ron you can send me that

1295
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:16,040
info because i'm going to be on that now

1296
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:18,960
[Laughter]

1297
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:20,880
you know you could see her and talk

1298
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:22,640
forever just so much

1299
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,000
that went on and uh

1300
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:29,040
oh it's amazing i mean i you know i i

1301
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:32,160
inhaled that book when i got it and

1302
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,030
first is some place that's close to home

1303
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:41,760
but it's it's around an area where i

1304
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:42,160
have

1305
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:45,359
activity

1306
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:48,079
in the same area i know the history of

1307
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:50,000
the area

1308
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:53,119
uh it it just touches a nerve and

1309
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:56,240
um you know i've been in

1310
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:58,240
you know i've been involved with a lot

1311
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:00,160
of different cases over the years

1312
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:03,280
but uh my god you know what i

1313
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:06,640
i know now i know now why i never came

1314
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:08,400
over there

1315
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:10,960
i just know now i i was always telling

1316
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:11,839
myself

1317
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:14,079
you need to go over and and would to

1318
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:16,640
deanna's and check the place out

1319
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:19,920
but no you don't want to do that and i

1320
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:20,880
know why

1321
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,520
you were really harassed badly because

1322
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:25,599
of the tv shows and

1323
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:29,359
the notoriety thank you

1324
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:31,200
i mean this this is a nice little

1325
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:33,520
conservative town but people don't take

1326
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:36,079
yeah to stuff like that too well i know

1327
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:36,960
i'll do well

1328
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:40,640
oh i i found that out i mean i i just

1329
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:42,160
thought maybe it was because i was an

1330
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:43,280
outsider

1331
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:47,680
you know coming in but i was just like

1332
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,440
sweet mother jesus

1333
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:53,520
i can understand what you went through

1334
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:55,200
um

1335
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:57,119
yeah and you and i will have to get

1336
00:57:02,390 --> 00:56:59,280
together and talk about that

1337
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:02,400
oh we are promise promise

1338
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:05,920
yes yeah i uh oh my gosh

1339
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:07,920
i want to meet you and tom in person at

1340
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:08,960
some point and

1341
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:12,559
have a long time yes you are and uh

1342
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:14,079
but like i said it's a case i've

1343
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:16,079
followed for a long time

1344
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:18,559
and uh you know i talked to rosemary

1345
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:19,119
about it

1346
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:21,839
when she was you know after she had left

1347
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:23,200
and went home

1348
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,720
and of course she wasn't feeling well at

1349
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:26,880
that time she was starting to i know

1350
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:29,119
feel the effects uh and actually she was

1351
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:30,400
gonna write the book wasn't

1352
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:33,680
it she was going to but she got sick

1353
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:36,559
yeah she got sick but uh she was

1354
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:38,000
introduced

1355
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:39,760
yeah she was very intrigued with what

1356
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:41,599
was going on

1357
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:44,240
and uh oh yeah she came back a couple

1358
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:46,000
times actually and she told me

1359
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:48,160
she talked to you oh yeah she said i

1360
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:49,280
talked to my good friend

1361
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:52,559
lon and she says yes she told me about

1362
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:54,079
that she was talking to you and

1363
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:56,400
she she came out to the house probably

1364
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:57,839
at least three times

1365
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:03,109
i didn't know that i didn't know she had

1366
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:04,640
been there many times

1367
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:06,400
yeah i know she was very interested in

1368
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:08,880
it her and i talked about it a bit

1369
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:12,319
and uh you know she uh

1370
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:15,680
you know a lot of what john said uh

1371
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:18,720
what was going on she had the same

1372
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:19,359
impression

1373
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:24,079
i mean you know um she just you know

1374
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:25,599
i think she really did want to write

1375
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:27,920
about it but unfortunately things happen

1376
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:29,440
yeah

1377
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:32,640
well deanna i tell you what i really

1378
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:35,119
want to thank you for coming on the show

1379
00:58:38,309 --> 00:58:37,680
and uh you know forgot to get together

1380
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:38,319
in person

1381
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:39,920
i'm gonna have to have you back on here

1382
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:42,559
again because there's so much more that

1383
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:44,400
we can talk about with this

1384
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:46,480
go a little deeper into what actually

1385
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:47,839
happened

1386
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:51,280
uh absolutely yeah

1387
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:54,400
i'm just so glad you got out of there

1388
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:58,000
and things are back or at normal are

1389
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,599
really normal now i guess

1390
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:01,520
you're really normal for the first time

1391
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:03,760
hey i'm having a life

1392
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:07,359
yes yes um i'm having a real life

1393
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:10,079
now and and i'm living like everybody

1394
00:59:13,510 --> 00:59:11,760
else does and i'm i'm

1395
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:13,520
you know i've got a life and i have a

1396
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:15,520
family and i have holidays

1397
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:18,400
and we have parties and people come over

1398
00:59:25,829 --> 00:59:21,040
imagine that people come over

1399
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:25,839
and yeah well i'll tell you what

1400
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:27,760
again if if you ever need me for

1401
00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:29,200
anything you know i'm

1402
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:31,520
just down the road you just going to get

1403
00:59:35,190 --> 00:59:33,200
okay

1404
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:35,200
oh i appreciate that we have got to get

1405
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:36,960
together

1406
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:38,960
well thanks again you have a great

1407
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:41,520
weekend and i'll talk to you soon

1408
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:44,240
yes thank you okay you take care now all

1409
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right

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you too bye-bye

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now if you have an unexpected encounter

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or sighting feel free to call

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uh contact me through the phantoms and

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monsters blog site

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i want to again thank deanna simpson for

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joining me this evening

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and i want to thank you for listening to

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the show good night stay healthy

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